Namespaces
Variants
Actions

Difference between revisions of "Talk:Sporadic simple group"

From Encyclopedia of Mathematics
Jump to: navigation, search
(copied to discussion for TeXing)
 
(wikipediafs remarks, table formatting suggestion)
 
(12 intermediate revisions by 3 users not shown)
Line 1: Line 1:
A [[Simple finite group|simple finite group]] that does not belong to any of the known infinite series of simple finite groups. The  twenty-six sporadic simple groups are listed in the following  table.''''''<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"  style="background-color:black;"> <tr><td> <table  border="0" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="4"  style="background-color:black;"> <tbody> <tr> <td  colname="1" style="background-color:white;"  colspan="1">notation</td> <td colname="2"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1">name</td> <td  colname="3" style="background-color:white;"  colspan="1">order</td> </tr> <tr> <td  colname="1" style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img  align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s0868701.png" /></td> <td  colname="2" style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"></td>  <td colname="3" style="background-color:white;"  colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s0868702.png" /></td>  </tr> <tr> <td colname="1"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s0868703.png"  /></td> <td colname="2" style="background-color:white;"  colspan="1"></td> <td colname="3"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s0868704.png"  /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colname="1"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s0868705.png"  /></td> <td colname="2" style="background-color:white;"  colspan="1">Mathieu groups</td> <td colname="3"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s0868706.png"  /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colname="1"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s0868707.png"  /></td> <td colname="2" style="background-color:white;" 
+
Post $\TeX$ remarks
colspan="1"></td> <td colname="3"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s0868708.png"  /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colname="1"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s0868709.png"  /></td> <td colname="2" style="background-color:white;"  colspan="1"></td> <td colname="3"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687010.png"  /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colname="1"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687011.png"  /></td> <td colname="2" style="background-color:white;"  colspan="1">Janko group</td> <td colname="3"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687012.png"  /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colname="1"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687013.png" />,  <img align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687014.png" /></td> <td  colname="2" style="background-color:white;" colspan="1">Hall–Janko  group</td> <td colname="3" style="background-color:white;"  colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687015.png" /></td>  </tr> <tr> <td colname="1"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687016.png" />,  <img align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687017.png" /></td> <td  colname="2" style="background-color:white;"  colspan="1">Higman–Janko–McKay group</td> <td colname="3"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687018.png"  /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colname="1"  style="background-color:white
+
* I could not edit this page using my usual method (wikipediafs) so I could not fix the refs, could someone do it for me?
;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687019.png"  /></td> <td colname="2" style="background-color:white;"  colspan="1">Janko group</td> <td colname="3"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687020.png"  /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colname="1"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687021.png" />, <img align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687022.png" /></td> <td  colname="2" style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"></td>  <td colname="3" style="background-color:white;"  colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687023.png" /></td>  </tr> <tr> <td colname="1"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687024.png" />,  <img align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687025.png" /></td> <td  colname="2" style="background-color:white;" colspan="1">Conway  groups</td> <td colname="3" style="background-color:white;"  colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687026.png" /></td>  </tr> <tr> <td colname="1"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687027.png" />,  <img align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687028.png" /></td> <td  colname="2" style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"></td>  <td colname="3" style="background-color:white;"  colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687029.png" /></td>  </tr> <tr> <td colname="1"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687030.png" />,  <img align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/
+
* It might be nice to have some extra columns here
s086870/s08687031.png" /></td> <td  colname="2" style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"></td>  <td colname="3" style="background-color:white;"  colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687032.png" /></td>  </tr> <tr> <td colname="1"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687033.png" />, <img align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687034.png" /></td> <td  colname="2" style="background-color:white;" colspan="1">Fischer  groups</td> <td colname="3" style="background-color:white;"  colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687035.png" /></td>  </tr> <tr> <td colname="1"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687036.png" />,  <img align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687037.png" /></td> <td  colname="2" style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"></td>  <td colname="3" style="background-color:white;"  colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687038.png" /></td>  </tr> <tr> <td colname="1"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687039.png"  /></td> <td colname="2" style="background-color:white;"  colspan="1">Higman–Sims group</td> <td colname="3"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687040.png"  /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colname="1"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687041.png" />,  <img align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687042.png" /></td> <td  colname="2" style="background-color:white;"  colspan="1">Held–Higman–McKay group</td> <td colname="3"  style="background-c
+
** reference to the relevant paper
olor:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687043.png"  /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colname="1"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687044.png"  /></td> <td colname="2" style="background-color:white;"  colspan="1">Suzuki group</td> <td colname="3"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687045.png"  /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colname="1"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687046.png"  /></td> <td colname="2" style="background-color:white;"  colspan="1">McLaughlin group</td> <td colname="3"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687047.png"  /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colname="1"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687048.png"  /></td> <td colname="2" style="background-color:white;"  colspan="1">Lyons group</td> <td colname="3"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687049.png"  /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colname="1"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687050.png"  /></td> <td colname="2" style="background-color:white;"  colspan="1">Rudvalis group</td> <td colname="3"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687051.png"  /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colname="1"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687052.png" />,  <img align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687053.png" /></td> <td  colname="2" style="backgrou
+
** date of discovery
nd-color:white;" colspan="1">O'Nan–Sims  group</td> <td colname="3" style="background-color:white;"  colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687054.png" /></td>  </tr> <tr> <td colname="1"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687055.png" />,  <img align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687056.png" /></td> <td  colname="2" style="background-color:white;" colspan="1">Monster,  Fischer–Griess group</td> <td colname="3"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687057.png"  /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colname="1"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687058.png" />,  <img align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687059.png" /></td> <td  colname="2" style="background-color:white;" colspan="1">Baby  monster</td> <td colname="3" style="background-color:white;"  colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687060.png" /></td>  </tr> <tr> <td colname="1"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687061.png" />,  <img align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687062.png" />, <img  align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687063.png" /></td> <td  colname="2" style="background-color:white;" colspan="1">Thompson  group</td> <td colname="3" style="background-color:white;"  colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687064.png" /></td>  </tr> <tr> <td colname="1"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687065.png" />,  <img align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s08
+
** order in decimal
6870/s08687066.png" />, <img  align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687067.png" /></td> <td  colname="2" style="background-color:white;"  colspan="1">Harada–Norton group</td> <td colname="3"  style="background-color:white;" colspan="1"><img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687068.png"  /></td> </tr> </tbody> </table>
+
* possibly allow sorting by some of these columns?
 +
I am seriously out of my depth on this topic, so I will leave it to others to consider whether these are worth doing ... -- [[User:Jjg|Jjg]] 21:12, 30 April 2012 (CEST)
  
</td></tr> </table>
+
: This math is out of my competence, but anyway I wonder, why wikipediafs failed here? --[[User:Boris Tsirelson|Boris Tsirelson]] 21:34, 30 April 2012 (CEST)
  
====References====
+
:: Not sure, it may be a problem at my end, but now I cannot edit any pages via wikipediafs (even ones that I was editing yesterday). Very strange. --[[User:Jjg|Jjg]] 23:29, 30 April 2012 (CEST)
<table><TR><TD  valign="top">[1]</TD> <TD valign="top">  S.A. Syskin,   "Abstract properties of the simple sporadic groups"  ''Russian Math.  Surveys'' , '''35''' :  5  (1980) pp. 209–246  ''Uspekhi Mat. Nauk'' ,  '''35''' : 5  (1980)  pp. 181–212</TD></TR><TR><TD  valign="top">[2]</TD> <TD valign="top">  M. Aschbacher,   "The finite simple groups and their classification" , Yale Univ. Press  (1980)</TD></TR></table>
 
  
 +
::: I don't know anything about wikipediafs, but its [http://en.wikipedia.or /wiki/WikipediaFS#Disadvantages wp page] says its version 0.3 does not work with current wp. I prefer working with browser extensions like "Edit with emacs" (chromium) and/or "It's all text" (firefox). --[[User:Ulf Rehmann|Ulf Rehmann]] 09:58, 1 May 2012 (CEST)
  
 +
:::: The most recent version works fine, it has the disadvantage that it must login to make each each "commit", and does not give a lot of feedback when it fails (the above failure was due to the recent login problems), but at least it does work -- I spent a full evening trying to coerce "It's all text" to play nice, and I really don't want to change browser just to edit a page... --[[User:Jjg|Jjg]] 19:24, 2 May 2012 (CEST)
  
====Comments====
+
A lot of things could be added here. Each of the sporadic group names should have its own page. We only have the Mathieu groups as a distinguished page. --[[User:Ulf Rehmann|Ulf Rehmann]] 01:02, 1 May 2012 (CEST)
The  recent classification of the finite simple groups (1981) has led to the  conclusion that — up to a uniqueness proof for the Monster as the only  simple group of its order with certain additional properties — every  non-Abelian finite simple group is isomorphic to: an [[Alternating  group|alternating group]] on at least <img align="absmiddle"  border="0" src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687069.png" />  letters, a group of (twisted or untwisted) Lie type, or one of the above  <img align="absmiddle" border="0"  src="https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/legacyimages/s/s086/s086870/s08687070.png" /> sporadic groups.  See [[#References|[a2]]] for a discussion of the proof.
 
  
====References====
+
I like to propose that the word "group" be dropped from the second column and put in the header instead; eg
<table><TR><TD  valign="top">[a1]</TD> <TD valign="top">  J.H. Conway,   R.T. Curtis,   S.P. Norton,  R.A. Parker,  R.A. Wilson,  "Atlas of  finite groups" , Clarendon Press  (1985)</TD></TR><TR><TD  valign="top">[a2]</TD> <TD valign="top">  D. Gorenstein,   "Finite simple groups. An introduction to their classification" ,  Plenum  (1982)</TD></TR></table>
+
$\newcommand{\d}{\cdot}$
 +
{| class="wikitable" style="margin: 1em auto 1em auto;"
 +
|+ The twenty-six sporadic simple groups
 +
! Notation
 +
! Name (group)
 +
! Order
 +
|-
 +
| $J_1$
 +
| Janko
 +
| $2^3\d 3\d 5\d 7\d 11\d 19$
 +
|-
 +
|}
 +
This is normal typographic practice in tables for units, for example. It would have the advantage that it would free up some horizontal space for other columns, as suggested above. --[[User:Jjg|Jjg]] 19:24, 2 May 2012 (CEST)

Latest revision as of 17:24, 2 May 2012

Post $\TeX$ remarks

  • I could not edit this page using my usual method (wikipediafs) so I could not fix the refs, could someone do it for me?
  • It might be nice to have some extra columns here
    • reference to the relevant paper
    • date of discovery
    • order in decimal
  • possibly allow sorting by some of these columns?

I am seriously out of my depth on this topic, so I will leave it to others to consider whether these are worth doing ... -- Jjg 21:12, 30 April 2012 (CEST)

This math is out of my competence, but anyway I wonder, why wikipediafs failed here? --Boris Tsirelson 21:34, 30 April 2012 (CEST)
Not sure, it may be a problem at my end, but now I cannot edit any pages via wikipediafs (even ones that I was editing yesterday). Very strange. --Jjg 23:29, 30 April 2012 (CEST)
I don't know anything about wikipediafs, but its /wiki/WikipediaFS#Disadvantages wp page says its version 0.3 does not work with current wp. I prefer working with browser extensions like "Edit with emacs" (chromium) and/or "It's all text" (firefox). --Ulf Rehmann 09:58, 1 May 2012 (CEST)
The most recent version works fine, it has the disadvantage that it must login to make each each "commit", and does not give a lot of feedback when it fails (the above failure was due to the recent login problems), but at least it does work -- I spent a full evening trying to coerce "It's all text" to play nice, and I really don't want to change browser just to edit a page... --Jjg 19:24, 2 May 2012 (CEST)

A lot of things could be added here. Each of the sporadic group names should have its own page. We only have the Mathieu groups as a distinguished page. --Ulf Rehmann 01:02, 1 May 2012 (CEST)

I like to propose that the word "group" be dropped from the second column and put in the header instead; eg $\newcommand{\d}{\cdot}$

The twenty-six sporadic simple groups
Notation Name (group) Order
$J_1$ Janko $2^3\d 3\d 5\d 7\d 11\d 19$

This is normal typographic practice in tables for units, for example. It would have the advantage that it would free up some horizontal space for other columns, as suggested above. --Jjg 19:24, 2 May 2012 (CEST)

How to Cite This Entry:
Sporadic simple group. Encyclopedia of Mathematics. URL: http://encyclopediaofmath.org/index.php?title=Sporadic_simple_group&oldid=25775